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If Google wants a useless login block. Should I?

To be clearer, only the Google Play release would have this login block.
When a blocked instance will be entered, the app will display a link to get the app on F-Droid.
I just need a reply from Google before proceeding to a such a move.
The lite version won't be concerned too.

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@fedilab
There's a degree to which jumping through useless hoops helps show the uselessness of those hoops, at least in the long term, so I say yes.
@fedilab Oh sure, I'm not saying it'll accomplish anything at all!

@fedilab
if ppls paid for the app, yes
if not, forget google

@derle No, but I have less than 5 days to act, so I prefer to get some feedback to make the right choice.
I still didn't get a reply from the Google Support.

@fedilab
I would actually believe it is good to stay on Google Play, and just try to incentivize people on switching to the full experience without Google's manipulations.

@fedilab
how many of the users are from Google play? i would say distribute two versions of the app. one for the Google and one for the Fdroid. If you have users that discover this app from Google play, than that also means something for what fediverse stands for.

@fedilab I accidentally selected no, but since the majority of people use Google play, it would be bad for discoverability of Google would block fedilab because of a login block.
I think complying with their request is problematic too (since it's kind of acknowledging their claim that you are in any way responsible for presenting "hate speech" to users, I think that's false), not being on the play store doesn't help anyone :(
Good luck!

@vancha @fedilab I think the choice is easy, get out of Google and show that you're not okay with their unethical business.

@fedilab
I believe this deserves some broader audience. Please contact your favorite IT news

@fedilab
Put it for Google play means not for f-droid ?

@fedilab
Yes, but without applying the change to the f-droid version.

@fedilab I use the Google play version but only as a way to pay you for the app conveniently. I'd just switch to the F-Droid version, but honestly how long before they require the same hoops?

@Phaserune
F-Droid is only interested by the apps being open source. Nothing else.
@fedilab

@Zykino @fedilab Google used to have similar aspirations. We can see what is happening. There is a lot of voices in the federated world that vehemently agree with Google, and have given the developer of Fedilab a lot of flack for not doing what Google wants right now earlier. So while I'm happy to see that F-Droid has a very simple and concise requirement for hosting of apps, I don't think it is a given that this will always be the case.

@Phaserune
If they change their political stance on the main repo you could always use another repo. Like you alredy do for the Guardian, NewPipe and others. If they remove this possibility… well it's open source, fork it, G-Droid already exist as an alternative front end.

If gogole or half-eaten apple stores ban an app you cannot fork or host your own ppa.
@fedilab

@Phaserune
F-droid doesn't work that way. If the maintainers of the main f-droid repo ever were to do something like this, anyone can create their own f-droid repo and host the app, making it still available to all users. Many developers host their own repos, including the Tor project, Bromite and the Monero client app Monerujo.
@fedilab

@fedilab If it were me, I'd probably put in the block, but also add the instances who organised the complaint campaign into the block as well. If they want censorship, give it to them.

@sowth @fedilab Just block the crazy ones like sinblr and the pornographic ones. Gab can use their own client too, its not a big loss.

@fedilab I'd block. Even if it's circumventable, it makes life a little harder for bad actors.

@fedilab login block + a message explaining that the Google Play version had to be censored. Makes Google look stupid, and gives the app discoverability as before .

@fedilab Add a login block for all instances where you link users to how to install f-droid, and how to migrate from gplay fedilab to f-droid fedilab

@fedilab
Can you add ability to boost toot through one account while browsing through other one?

@yoshir @fedilab you can hold the repost icon and you'll get a list of accounts to choose from

@fedilab Stay on Google Play and remain open for new people. The more people, the more power. Buying time to consider changes to the login block with less pressure.

@fedilab
What will you do if you don't get a reply and get removed?

What if they just give you a vague answer about "instances hosting offensive material"?

If you do get a reply of which instances you have to block, would you please post that list so that we can mercilessly mock Google for it?

What will you do if this happens again?
@selea

@fedilab
But if they want a login block they will have to remove all browsers too!
@selea

@fedilab @selea
I think that's the best compromise. It puts the responsibility of judge and jury onto Google instead of app developers.

I'm very pessimistic, and I don't think they'll outright give you a list. And if they do, they probably won't update that list, they'll just threaten to pull the app again.

@fedilab Are you sure that promoting other app stores isn't also against policy?

I seem to remember some app way back getting booted from the Play store for telling users to download it from the Amazon app store instead.

@quad
Yes, you're right but as these users can't use GPlay, it's not the same conditions.

@fedilab Well, you probably know the policies better than I do
@fedilab
And will they care about that? I'm not sure... I did this whole thing very strange... They are playing with double standards and that's not a good sign.
@quad

@fedilab
You could circumvent this by displaying a link to the website. There you can direct the people to the F-Droid store...
So the app itself would not break any stupid Google rules. 😉
@quad

@fedilab personnally i don't use G API and only the F-Droid repo

@fedilab I think this would be perfect. Though knowing google they'd get buttmad about you doing that, as they also killed(?) the amazon appstore from gplay

@fedilab
I am an F-Droid user myself and am usually glad to see links to the F-Droid store. But not in this case when only a specific group of people is directed there. It may harm F-Droid in the end.

@snm @fedilab I agree, sending potential far-right extremists to F-Droid might harm the free software ecosystem. I would not give them any help for their actions, I would also feel ok to block gab in the F-Droid version of fedilab, too. They can fork and maintain their own version without blocks, its still free software, but then it's their thing and it's not endorsed by the free software community.

@fedilab
Google is despicable. I would rather completely drop Google Play version than comply with their demands.

@VikingKong
Many good apps are not on the GPStore (anymore ). If G wants it, they can compile their own version of #fediverse from the sources and maintain it themselves.
@fedilab

@fedilab I understand that this is a bigger fish than you or perhaps other developers in this situation are prepared to take on. But I would not kowtow to Google on this one. Leave the app as is, and let it be removed. Changing the app signals that this action is acceptable and that google is justified in making this decision. They are not, and are exceeding their legal right, which should invalidate their current legal standing.

@Phaserune
I totally agree. As other mentioned l, this is how the fediverse and the open part of the internet works.
Probably it would be a good move to try to use the attention on the Play Store Rules raised by fortnite.
The internet belongs not to google alone - not yet!
@fedilab

@fedilab This is a fair compromise tbh.

Some people will tell you to take a hardline stance but that’s practically always the wrong answer in my experience.

@fedilab just put the fucking block on the nazi websites it's called "being a decent software developer" and it isn't hard to fucking do.

unless you WANT to be the software developer that makes the shit all the Nazis use.

@keith @fedilab imagine calling yourself an anarchist and supporting authoritarian shit like this
@keith Why should an any bit of software be associated with its users? I may as well stop using Telegram as terrorists use it and others should stop using Facebook (drug dealing) and Discord (child grooming), going by the same logic.

@fedilab
@keith @fedilab How many Nazi websites are there on the Fediverse, I've seen like one single-user instance.

@fedilab This is so strange, does Google provide some list what should be blocked or do you have to guess?
Maybe you can block stuff you know/guess Goggle wants you to block and provide option for user to whitelist these blocks?

@fedilab if you did put in such a block, it would just be for the gplay version, and not fdroid, right?
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